NBA - Σενάρια, Trades, Offseason 2024/25

[SteveNashidis]

Πόσες πιθανότητες δίνετε αυτό το tweet να γίνει meme ;

[mixalisgate7]

Οι Warriors ψάχνουν απεγνωσμένα να βρουν All-Star παίκτη.

[ggr]

Οι Warriors ψάχνουν απεγνωσμένα να βρουν All-Star παίκτη.

Ερχομός LeBron και retooling των Lakers;

[shaq7]

μου χει κολλησει απο χτες οτι ο λεμπρον θα φυγει...και αυτο τωρα να παει να παιξει με τον καρυ μου το κανει ακομα πιο πιθανο..Ειναι ενα ντουο που σιγουρα πουλαει και θα το θελει και το ΝΒΑ..

[ggr]

μου χει κολλησει απο χτες οτι ο λεμπρον θα φυγει...και αυτο τωρα να παει να παιξει με τον καρυ μου το κανει ακομα πιο πιθανο..Ειναι ενα ντουο που σιγουρα πουλαει και θα το θελει και το ΝΒΑ..

Σε δύο podcast έχω ακούσει ότι ο ερχομός του Luka μπορεί να σηματοδοτεί την αποχώρηση του LeBron, ίσως και για κάποιον σταρ. Όλα είναι πιθανά πλέον.

[shaq7]

Ειναι εφικτο λετε να φυγει ο λεμπρον και να ρθει κανας αντεμπαγιο?Γιαννη με λουκα θα θελα να δω αλλα προς το παρον δεν παιζει λογικα.

[ggr]

Ειναι εφικτο λετε να φυγει ο λεμπρον και να ρθει κανας αντεμπαγιο?Γιαννη με λουκα θα θελα να δω αλλα προς το παρον δεν παιζει λογικα.

Το τελευταίο θα ήταν ιδανικό και τρομακτικό ταυτόχρονα!

[ssoulliss]

Τα picks που πήραν οι Kings έχουν κάποιο protection; Αλλιώς είναι πολύ καλό deal για τους Kings αφού πήραν ένα pick από την Charlotte που πολύ πιθανόν να είναι top-5, άλλο ένα από τους Spurs για το 2027 που δεν αποκλείεται να είναι και αυτό lottery, και άλλο ένα από την Sota για το 2031 που μπορεί να φανεί χρήσιμο asset. Και ουσιαστικά έδωσαν έναν παίκτη που δεν χρειάζονταν τόσο πλέον (Fox), και έναν που είχε χάσει την θέση του στην πεντάδα και έκανε μέτρια σεζόν (Huerter), στα πλαίσια ενός ακόμα rebuild.

Βέβαια το δίδυμο LaVine-DeRozan δεν είχε δουλέψει στο Chicago, οπότε το καλοκαίρι μάλλον οι Kings θα πρέπει να δώσουν τον δεύτερο αν θέλουν να γίνουν περισσότερο ανταγωνιστικοί.

Μόνο ένα φαίνεται να είναι protected. Δε βλέπω, πάντως, κάποιο τρομερό pick από τα υπάρχοντα.

2025 first-round pick (top-14 protected; via Charlotte)
2025 second-round pick (via Chicago)
2027 first-round pick (via San Antonio)
2028 second-round pick (via Denver)
2028 second-round pick (own)
2031 first-round pick (via Minnesota)

[ssoulliss]

Ενδιαφέροντα στοιχεία από το ESPN σχετικά με τον Doncic και τους Mavericks. Ενδεικτικά:

IN THE NEARLY four years since former Mavericks owner Mark Cuban lured him away from Nike to come run the team, Harrison has studied Doncic closely.

While he admired his talent, spirit and competitiveness, team sources said, he had more doubts about Doncic than others in the organization -- like Cuban or Nowitzki -- did.

Doncic had everything one could want in a generational superstar. He'd been a first-team All-NBA selection in each of the past five seasons. His career 28.7 PPG average is third in NBA history, behind only Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain. Last season he led the NBA in scoring with 33.9 PPG and nearly averaged a triple-double. But he wasn't a relentless worker like Bryant. He didn't treat his body like a temple like James.

The Mavericks' frustrations with Doncic' habits on and off the court were well-known in league circles. Head coach Jason Kidd frequently expressed concerns publicly and directly with Doncic about his conditioning, weight fluctuations and constant arguing with officials.

Doncic had mostly taken the criticism without complaint, but it never resulted in a significant change in his habits.

"I mean, who gains weight during the season when you're playing 40 minutes a game?" a team source vented to ESPN last year.

Still, last season, he averaged a league-leading 33.9 points, 9.2 rebounds and 9.8 assists per game and came in third in MVP voting.

If Doncic wasn't going to change his ways, the Mavericks figured they would prod him by making changes around him. In August of 2023, the team fired former director of player health and performance Casey Smith, who has since been hired by Jalen Brunson's New York Knicks. After last season, the Mavs fired strength coach Jeremy Holsopple and manual therapist Casey Spangler. All three had been with the team since before Doncic was drafted and had strong relationships with him.

"They get rid of everybody I like," Doncic griped in recent months, one source said.



The plan backfired.

Before last season, Doncic hired a full-time "body team" -- Slovenian national team strength coach Anže Maček, as well as physiotherapist Javier Barrio Calvo and nutritionist Lucia Almendros from Real Madrid -- that he paid for out of his own pocket.

The changes didn't result in a healthier or more available Doncic, and the internal frustration only increased as team sources complained about poor communication between Doncic's team and the Mavs' staff this season.

Over the prior six seasons, Doncic had played an average of 67 games per season. This season, he missed 27 games, including the past six weeks since straining his left calf for the fourth time in three years. He gained weight while he was out, which frustrated team officials, sources said. The primary reasoning for an 11-day absence in late November, officially attributed to a right wrist sprain, was to provide Dončić time to shed weight after he had ballooned into the high 260s, sources said. He had a similar shutdown in December 2021, early in the first season of the Harrison-Kidd regime.

Still, his production on the court was unmatched, and he turned in a series of sublime performances in the playoffs, when it mattered, to lead Dallas to the Finals.

"I don't care what he does," one All-Star told ESPN. "He still goes out and gives you 33-9-9 every night."

Said a rival NBA coach: "How do you say this now when you said every year how great he looked coming into camp?"

Doncic weighed 255 pounds when he underwent an MRI on his calf in late January, sources said, and he typically played in the 250-255 range. The Mavs considered his ideal weight to be 245, which would allow Doncic to maintain his advantage of being able to bully defenders with power while maximizing his quickness and minimizing injury risk.

By far the biggest change in Dallas, though, was Cuban's December 2023 decision to sell his majority stake in the team to the Adelson family, who are casino magnates, and turn leadership of the franchise over to team governor Patrick Dumont.

Cuban had developed a strong bond with Doncic since acquiring him in a draft day trade with the Atlanta Hawks in 2018. He'd famously joked that if he had to "choose between my wife and keeping Luka on the Mavs, catch me at my lawyers office prepping for a divorce."

But Cuban, though still a near-nightly presence at Mavericks games, is out of the franchise's decision-making tree now, and Dumont does not have the same relationship with Doncic or the inclination to assert himself in basketball decisions like Cuban.

Dumont saw it as a business decision that would preserve the Mavericks financial flexibility for the long term, team sources said, and he trusted Harrison's vision of how Davis would be a culture-setter and give the team a new defensive-minded identity.

Doncic was eligible to sign a five-year, $345 million extension -- the highest in league history -- this summer. He anticipated signing the deal, sources said, and never gave any indication that he intended to explore the possibility of leaving Dallas. He'd even begun searching for a new home in the city. Team sources say they were as afraid of Doncic signing the deal as they were of him not.

"I feel like we got out in front of what could have been a tumultuous summer," Harrison said Sunday. "Other teams that were loading up that he was going to be able to decide, make his own decision at some point of whether he wants to be here or not. Whether we want to supermax him or not, or whether he wants to opt out. So, I think we had to take all that into consideration."

Cuban declined to comment when reached by ESPN, saying it wasn't his team anymore.

[nikolas_asteri]

Ενδιαφέροντα στοιχεία από το ESPN σχετικά με τον Doncic και τους Mavericks. Ενδεικτικά:

Γενικά οι Μαβς είπαν «είναι χοντρός δεν τον θέλουμε», όλος ο υπόλοιπος μπασκετικός πλανήτης λέει «καλά δεν είστε και πολύ καλά στο μυαλό εκεί στο νταλας». Θα δούμε με τον καιρό ποιος έχει δίκιο

Προς το παρόν οι φίλαθλοι του Νταλας είναι αρκετά απογοητευμένοι. Είδα στο Reddit κόσμο να ακυρώνει συνδρομές, κόσμο να χάνει άλλη ομάδα να υποστηρίξει, και γενικά δεν ξέρω τι αντίκτυπο θα έχει στα εισιτήρια αν η ομάδα δεν κάνει τρομερό run φέτος.

[ssoulliss]

Ενδιαφέροντα στοιχεία από το ESPN σχετικά με τον Doncic και τους Mavericks. Ενδεικτικά:

Γενικά οι Μαβς είπαν «είναι χοντρός δεν τον θέλουμε», όλος ο υπόλοιπος μπασκετικός πλανήτης λέει «καλά δεν είστε και πολύ καλά στο μυαλό εκεί στο νταλας». Θα δούμε με τον καιρό ποιος έχει δίκιο

Προς το παρόν οι φίλαθλοι του Νταλας είναι αρκετά απογοητευμένοι. Είδα στο Reddit κόσμο να ακυρώνει συνδρομές, κόσμο να χάνει άλλη ομάδα να υποστηρίξει, και γενικά δεν ξέρω τι αντίκτυπο θα έχει στα εισιτήρια αν η ομάδα δεν κάνει τρομερό run φέτος.

Βασικά του είπαν ότι "ο άλλος ο χαμηλοστήθης παίζει 75-80 παιχνίδια και πήρε πρωτάθλημα με το χωριό. Εσύ μυαλό, δε θα βάλεις;".

Πάντοτε ο κόσμος έχει το θυμικό ως πρώτη αντίδραση, αργότερα όταν κατασταλλάξει το παρατηρεί πιο ήρεμα. Αλλά όπως είπες παραπάνω, θα φανεί στο μέλλον ποιος είχε δίκιο.

[nikolas_asteri]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/NgfPrLdN17

[Goldsberry] The Luka Dončić deal originally included multiple first-round picks, Dalton Knecht, and more, but was chiseled down after Rob Pelinka was able to convince Nico Harrison that taking on Luka Dončić was a big risk due to his weight and injury history. Goldsberry also says that Rob Pelinka was able to convince Nico Harrison not to shop Luka Dončić and convince him that the Lakers were the only real suitor that could give the Mavericks the best player to "win-now" so he shouldn't bother negotiate with other teams.

Αν ισχύει…α καλά

[shaq7]

δεν τον δινουν οι λεικερς λεει τον λεμπρον τον θελουν για μεντορα του ντονσιτς..στον ιδιο το ειπανε αυτο? Δηλαδη θα κατσει ο αλλος στα 40 να κανει την μπειμπι σιτερ και δεν θα θελει να παρει πρωταθλημα τωρα οσο προλαβαινει?Καπου ειδα οτι ισως ανανεωσει κιολας τωρα που ηρθε ο λουκα..περιεργα πραγματα.

[ggr]

δεν τον δινουν οι λεικερς λεει τον λεμπρον τον θελουν για μεντορα του ντονσιτς...

Ίσως θέλουν να του μάθει και τη δουλειά του GM

[SteveNashidis]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/NgfPrLdN17

[Goldsberry] The Luka Dončić deal originally included multiple first-round picks, Dalton Knecht, and more, but was chiseled down after Rob Pelinka was able to convince Nico Harrison that taking on Luka Dončić was a big risk due to his weight and injury history. Goldsberry also says that Rob Pelinka was able to convince Nico Harrison not to shop Luka Dončić and convince him that the Lakers were the only real suitor that could give the Mavericks the best player to "win-now" so he shouldn't bother negotiate with other teams.

Αν ισχύει…α καλά

Και μετά προσπαθείτε να με πείσετε ότι ο Νίκο Χάρισον έκανε σωστό τρειντ και ότι δεν είναι δωράκι της λίγκας στο LA.

Μην ξεχνάμε και τον Brunson